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Fore one of our guests of the day the other one today is a man you may recognize or maybe you don’t Jordan Peterson has achieved that rare feat becoming a global Superstar academic so how did he become so well known he first came to National prominence in Canada in

2016 in a debate about new laws on gender identity bill c16 made it an offense to refuse to call someone by their chosen gender pronoun Jordan Peterson argued that this would infringe Free Speech while some supporters of the the bill said he was advocating Prejudice from there his YouTube Star

Took off and he has now over 1 million subscribers and his videos where he talks everything from Identity politics which we’ve touched on to the Bible to Disney movies have been viewed over 150 million times gosh that’s about the same number of viewers we have on this

Program H last year he supported ex gooogle employee James Dore who had been fired for suggesting men and women have different interests due to biological differences and his Book 12 rules for life has taken him on a global tour promoting his ideas and just this week

He sold out the 1,000 CA Emanuel center around the corner here in Westminster um so Jordan you’ve done endless interviews you’ve been publicizing you’ve been publicizing your book and they’ve generated plenty of heated debate and I actually sold out the Apollo it had 5,000 seats all right stop boasting um

Do you think though because of the heat that has been generated that your views have been misrepresented at times oh definitely but that’s you know that’s part and parcel of the process I did take a very um uh forceful stance let’s say against some of the excesses of the

Radical left Wingers and it’s in their best interest to paint me as somehow a figure of the extreme right because then I don’t have to be contended with but I mean it’s easy for people’s views to be oversimplified in a very large public debate I mean in terms of some of the

Issues I mean you say you’ve been uh painted as a as an extreme right winger some people have tried that not successfully but they’ve tried it and you came to prominence um in part over your opposition to this law that we just talked about in Canada proposing the use

Of preferred pronouns for transgender people just for cl mandating them yeah right you should do it no that you had to do it right you had to do it by law but just for clarity do you think a transwoman is a real woman I don’t really like the way those

Questions are formulated you know I don’t know what that means what do you mean a real woman well I’m asking you in your mind you know it depends what you think a real woman is but do you think a trans woman is a woman no why not because I think that women

Are capable generally speaking of having babies and they have female genitalia and they have an XX chromosome and and I think the biological markers are relevant doesn’t necessarily mean that I don’t think that people should be treated with respect and dignity if they happen not to fit easily into a gender

Category that’s a different issue right but but it’s a matter of definition and and I actually think it’s a foolish argument in some sense because what do you mean by real well I mean you’ve just clarified that though you you you don’t think um that a transwoman is a woman

And do you do you think that that is what is behind or explains your opposition to this idea of a law mandating you to use a preferred pronoun is because you don’t actually believe that that’s the truth that a transwoman is a woman and therefore you can’t use

That no that’s not my argument at all yeah really my argument is that the government should compel voluntary speech AR no but I know what your argument is it very clearly exactly there’s motivation behind motivation behind it but you don’t believe put everything on my online in my life to

Take the stance I did unless I had thought that through very deeply and I’ve thought it through very deeply there aren’t hidden motivations that have to do with some arbitrary prejudice against trans people it’s purely pure and simply this there’s never been a time in English common law history where

The government compelled speech and the Canadian government dared to do that and that was unacceptable and they masked it with this show of of compassion for the oppressed and I don’t buy it right but you would as I think you’ve said at an individual level if somebody asked you

If you know somebody asked you to use a particular pronoun you would do so well I have you have right fine let’s talk about feminism are you a feminist uh no not as it’s currently defined certainly not no well in any other definition well I think that

Anybody who doesn’t think that the the competitive landscape should be opened up for equality of opportunity is not thinking and so everyone’s interests are better served if people have as equal access to opportunity to display their talents and to manifest their talents in the world as possible so in that sense

Certainly but feminism now as far and this is why it’s so deeply unpopular very small minority of women in the UK identify as feminists and the reason for that is it’s primarily become an ideological weapon and it’s an ideology that I don’t I I detest actually the ideology that it’s associated with

Collectivist ideology right I mean okay and that’s your view about feminism Aisha are you a feminist oh absolutely I’m a very proud uh feminist and when I was um a special advisor in government I worked on women and equality issues and I was very proud actually of a piece of

Leg legislation I got on the statute book with my former boss Harriet Harman the equality act uh in 2010 which strengthened our anti-discrimination um laws and I fought very hard to get more women into public life into the labor party and yeah and yeah I’m very very proud of being the F

Hence my pink dress oh well you would like men to regain or reclaim their strength physically mentally and morally is that broadly correct I would say morally fundamentally but I think the other things along with that but it isn’t men precisely who I’m Who I’m speaking to it’s it’s people I’m a

Clinical psychologist I’m actually interested individuals and I’m interested in their fortification against tragedy you know every time I do an interview the interview is always political the fundamental news that’s important about what I’m doing isn’t the political element and the people who talk to me don’t talk politically they

Say they’ve watched my lectures but part of it is sorry is that I think for a lot of people the kind of personal does become the the the the the political or the political becomes the person yeah and I think in terms of the in this situation a lot of people are wrong

Because primarily what’s happening is people are watching my lectures and as a consequence their lives are improving dramatically oh I’m sure I’m sure they are what I would like to do is is kind of almost I think at the moment the discussion about feminism is very

Divisive and it sometimes it can sort of be like okay men have to lose and women have to gain actually everybody has a lot to gain by greater equality now whether you get the equality of outcome that you want I think only time will ATT but certainly equality of opportunity is

Is very important and actually a lot and a lot of men would would benefit from that so I think a lot of men men are having a lot of crisis at the moment in terms of mental health suicide issues um their own sense of identity because I

Think some of the stereotypes put on men are quite limiting for them as well I think they make men quite unhappy as well the devil’s in the details with regards to equality because I’m an advocate of equality of opportunity but IDE outcomes that’s an appalling Doctrine why

Why all right because you have to produce an unbelievably potent Bureau bureaucracy to make the ever greater and ever finer distinctions that are necessary to enforce equality of outcome how many group differences are you going to equalize across is it just gender and sex how many genders gender and

Ethnicity how many genders how many ethnicities how many racist we let I sh answer I think what what people are trying to do with this and certainly somebody who you know has looked to do to sort of do this myself I think you set yourself Ambitions for for what you

Would like to see and then you try and remove as many of the the structural barriers and obstacles so you try and create that you know Fair crack of the Whip and that equality of opportunity to see where you get to with the outcomes that’s now we are in very early stages

It’s only hundred years since you know women got the vote in this country you know we have had a long established patriarchal society and set up for for a long time in the world in this country so I think we have a long week to go to

See where it plays out there is no country in the world where you know we really do have gender equality um properly yet in terms of real decision- making and and real some of the Scandinavian countries maybe I they’re still not quite there and I think you’ve

Spoken a lot about there scandin there’s still a way to go in Scandinavia things are not perfect in Scandinavia I hav spoken about that specifically I’ve spoken about about the right stuff yesterday you talked about the I Spen about the fact that you see one of the things that’s happened in the analysis

Of the differences between men and women is that the social constructionist claim is that the differences are socially constructed right is that it’s a consequence of environment that men and women differ but what the scientific literature indicates is that as cultures become more egalitarian like they have in Scandinavia the differences between

Men and women actually increase rather than decreasing which is a direct repost to the social constructionist view so they just deny all that the biggest differences in the world in interest and temperament are between Scandinavian men and women it’s exactly the opposite of what everyone predicted for For for For for fore

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