They have aerials in Ukraine but not in Japan? Whats wrong with that picture. From reading the comments what about bucket trucks for the electricity? Many places with streets too small for full size ladder trucks use the bucket trucks with a handheld line. So much for surround and drown or is it spray and pray.
So the big issue seems to be the comparrison to American firefighting tactics compared to the Japanese. So start with no aerials. Yes American tower ladders(TLs), sticks and straight ladders are too big for the streets is true but what about the bucket trucks with handlines? No issues with the street size or oerhead power lines and water is supplied by the engine providing the line or hose or whatever you decide to call it. Then comes the amount of lines and water pressure. To be honest I cannot remember ever having that many small hand lines in operation in such a small area in my 45+ years. Fire load determines iine size and in this case there should be nothing smaller than a 2.5 inch(64mm) until the main body has been knocked down and then 1.75 inch(44mm). Then comes the comments about one of my favorite toys commonly known as the master blaster or Deck gun but without the water supply it would have been of little use. Yes it would have helped but then so would some well placed blitz fires and 2.5 nch lines and a good interior attack but we don't know what happened in the early stages. Someone made a comment about volunteers and poor powered pumps. When I was stationed in Japan back in 1988 we trained with the Tokyo department who had a volunteer corps who wore Green helmets and green and blue turnout gear and they trained and was as good as their paid counterparts and used the same equiptment so maybe things changed, I saw no green helmets here. And the running around comment while Americans run to the canteen. Americans are trained Not to run but some do and some don't. While I was there every fire was first hit with the reel or booster or aka trash or garbage line. I also saw alot of scald injures to victims and firefighters by water being applied before the structure was cleared but the mindset is get water on the fire fast with a line too small to do much in the initial attack phase. That is why Americans grab the 1.75.. So the fire is out without many injuries or deaths. Right. wrong or it could have been done other way aside they did te best they could and I am gad that it is not my departments that have the job of taking up all of that line.
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炎に水かけても、燃えてる物体にぶっかけないと消えないですもんね
先月我が家も 漏電で 1部屋のごく一部だけですが 燃えてしまいました😭
火事ってひとごとのように思っていましたが、いつ自分ちも火事になるかわかりません。
とても落ち込みましたが、当日笑いながら消火活動見てる人や野次馬を見て さらに落ち込みました。
そこへきて 自分ちの火事が他人によって 動画にされてるなんて😰
このお家の方が見てませんように。。
消火に放水ははっきり言って 全く意味が無いし､延焼を増やすだけで 無駄な水を使いまくるだけ！
本当に消火する気ぐあるなら 消火剤を使用した方が放水よりも早く消える！
使い物ならない無能な消防だな ど素人かこいつらは。半分は上に放水しろよ！
真笨 後面的火勢 更大 不去撒
Even though countries are all bery different, fire is the same no matter where you are. This one is a bad one.
They certainly needed water at the rear, and at least two elevated aerial devices
高い位置から消火したくても梯子車が無ければ難しいですね。
両隣は密集していないけど、他はどうなんですかね？(裏とか)
火災の規模と比べて、消防自動車が少ない気もしますが…
お隣、燃えてしまったのですね💧
God bless the fearless firefighters
There is no water pressure sufficient to fight this fire. No aerial platform or ladder pipe, they may not even have such equipment!!
木材鐵皮防火公事弱
😮🫣
延焼を止める事が消火の基本です。
古き時代は消火用の水が無いのが当たり前だったので隣の家屋を迅速に破壊する事が被害拡大をさせない必要最小限の作業で現代でも変わりありません。
火災地震保険に入ってないなど あまりにも知識不足であり消火活動のプロに意見する行為は自分が行動してからする事です。
隣家は燃えて無くなるか、水没状況で再建築以外の選択肢が無い事は不可避。
状況判断できないのであれば意見しないでください。
消防車の水もポンプ性能や水利に左右されるのがよくわかる。
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瓦に水掛けても消えないと思うが？
Don't you have air tanks and masks for your firemen there ? Men with hoses going inside might have helped here a lot !
Someone should tell these guys that you have to get water on the fire in order to put it out.
海外の動画だとホース担いで中に突入していくけど、ここではそういう事しないんですね。
消火技術が無いとしか言いようがないですね。
消火薬剤を装備しているのであれば、使用するべきです。
They have aerials in Ukraine but not in Japan? Whats wrong with that picture. From reading the comments what about bucket trucks for the electricity? Many places with streets too small for full size ladder trucks use the bucket trucks with a handheld line. So much for surround and drown or is it spray and pray.
thats called a chinese fire drill.
we use dawn liquid dish soap in replace of CLASS foam.
So the big issue seems to be the comparrison to American firefighting tactics compared to the Japanese. So start with no aerials. Yes American tower ladders(TLs), sticks and straight ladders are too big for the streets is true but what about the bucket trucks with handlines? No issues with the street size or oerhead power lines and water is supplied by the engine providing the line or hose or whatever you decide to call it.
Then comes the amount of lines and water pressure. To be honest I cannot remember ever having that many small hand lines in operation in such a small area in my 45+ years. Fire load determines iine size and in this case there should be nothing smaller than a 2.5 inch(64mm) until the main body has been knocked down and then 1.75 inch(44mm). Then comes the comments about one of my favorite toys commonly known as the master blaster or Deck gun but without the water supply it would have been of little use. Yes it would have helped but then so would some well placed blitz fires and 2.5 nch lines and a good interior attack but we don't know what happened in the early stages.
Someone made a comment about volunteers and poor powered pumps. When I was stationed in Japan back in 1988 we trained with the Tokyo department who had a volunteer corps who wore Green helmets and green and blue turnout gear and they trained and was as good as their paid counterparts and used the same equiptment so maybe things changed, I saw no green helmets here. And the running around comment while Americans run to the canteen. Americans are trained Not to run but some do and some don't.
While I was there every fire was first hit with the reel or booster or aka trash or garbage line. I also saw alot of scald injures to victims and firefighters by water being applied before the structure was cleared but the mindset is get water on the fire fast with a line too small to do much in the initial attack phase. That is why Americans grab the 1.75..
So the fire is out without many injuries or deaths. Right. wrong or it could have been done other way aside they did te best they could and I am gad that it is not my departments that have the job of taking up all of that line.
海外の消火方法だと火元に水をかけないベンチュリー効果を利用し消火する動画がありますね。
これだけ放水してると水の奪い合いで届きたいとこに水圧上げようとしても上がらない。連成計がマイナスに振ってしまいそうです。
불조심합시다😮
右側3本の放水が細いのは筒先の違いですか？それとも水源？
左側の8線の水量と大分差が有るように思えますよね～、ただ、うちらの辺でこんだけの水量確保は難しいですね～参考にさせて頂きます、お疲れ様です
はしご車あれば高い所消す
映像では良い鎮圧方法ではないですね···瓦は水が浸透する構造ではないので初期進化は失敗したようで木造建物は崩壊の危険が多くて進入もできず最盛期から減退期で時間が短いので燃焼拡大阻止する方法しかないですね···木造建物の最大の短所です···
プロは、火点は1階の標的と見極めて、窓から屋内に放水した。
素人の消防団員は、屋根から立ち昇る炎と煙に気を取られ、的外れな屋根に水を掛けた挙句、水利を浪費し、プロの仕事を邪魔した。
怖いですね、火災は、あっという間にひろがてしまうから
Washing the outside does not put out the fire on the inside!
口数出しすぎてチョロチョロなのが残念すぎます。
give it all you got in the front, boys – the rear will take care of itself.
Bomberos estáticos…Bomberos Inútiles….
延焼危険のある建物に、ポンプ車横付けしたら燃えちゃう・・・
こんぐらいだと保険が全部下りなくて、経済的には一番辛いことになりそう
Una grua elevadora para atacar el fuego desde arriba!!! No tenian equipos ???
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